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“We’re not pro-smoking. We’re pro-freedom. What a concept,” said McDonald
“It’s supposed to be a free country, but it’s getting so bureaucratic,” Don Dewaelsche
Freedom seems to be a go-to talking point for every complaint now. "I don't like it, they are taking away my freedom." - seems to be an acceptable catch all argument for any new law that come into play.
Could I make the argument "I like to get liquored up, drive at high speeds going the wrong way down one way streets, all the while waving my handgun out the sunroof. But the government is oppressing me from my true passion in life."
I know what people are going to say - Bars are private establishments, people have the choice of patronizing the business. But, there are still restrictions on what the establishment can do.
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A lot of the "pro freedom" people are really only in support of THEIR OWN freedom. Otherwise the Republicans wouldn't constantly be trying to prevent gay people from having the right to marry as they see fit.
Oh save me..
There is no argument to be made nor a comparison to "getting liquored up, driving at high speeds going the wrong way down one way streets, all the while waving my handgun out the sunroof.
and taking away the rights of a business owner to allow their patrons to partake in a "legal" activity.
And whomever anon is; this has nothing to do with "pro freedom", its about maintaining rights' that businesses already had that they're now being stripped of. You never had the right to marry. Go fight for it.
not ozzie - And now its illegal to smoke in bars.
"You never had the right to marry. Go fight for it."
Exactly. But my point is that it is a hypocritical position.
I love freedom and bacon.
Want to talk about taking away freedoms...
I was in at a casual dining restaurant the other night, and I decided to bring in my Craftsman power saw. I asked the waitress where I could plug it in, and she looked at me kind of strange. I said, " Hey, if I want to plug in my power saw right here, right now, its my perogative." I was politely asked to refrain from doing so.
On another occaision, I tried to bring my pet pott bellied pig into the same restaurant. I was abruptly stopped at the door.
What gives in this town ? Since when did it become illegal to run my power saw and bring my pott bellied pig along with me. Does this restaurant have something against pott bellied pigs and Craftsman power saws ?? Is this restaurant against freedom-loving people like myself ???
I don't know where this country is headed, but I don't like the looks of it.
getting liquored up, driving at high speeds, going thw wrong way on streets, and shooting handguns out the sunroof.-
unless you are "cops gone wild"- which actually happened more than a few times in this city.
If people would have a little more consideration, and a concept of what individual freedom-vs. "civilized" behavior was, perhaps we could repeal a few laws, and enjoy our unalienable rights to live, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness..
so long as it doesnt infringe too much on the rights of those other damn people that annoy you so much..
So whats next? gay polygamy? theres a scary thought. although Hugh Hefner, and his 3 girlfriends seem to have a nice time together.
sure- flood Indiana with flaming, militant San Franscisco Aids infected epidemic gays. Economic development by buggery? sure- run up our collective health insurance premiums. make the doctors and hospitals rich. The aids clinics, and death watch hospices will make millions. funeral hmoes, and grave diggers will rake in a fortune, and nobody will have sex in Indiana, because everyone will have aids- thats sure to attract 18-30 year old singles to Indiana.
We should be proud that we are a relative oasis from HIV/AIDS, due to our "intolerance, and bigotry".
If you support Gay anal sex, you'll love gay marriage...and think of all the gay websites we can have in Indiana depicting "Gays gone wild"? economic development by buggery- hmmm. someone call David Long, and Brian Bosma?
Roach. You are a weird man.
Always amazes me at the intense prejudices and fear that exist towards gay people. And for what ? Ever see a gay person blow themselves up and others for their cause? Or how about taking up arms and holding hostages until their demands were met ? Look around; it’s not happening. May I ask, what have homosexuals done to you and, how are they infringing on your rights ?
Whether it be different colors of our skin, different languages we speak, or different religions we practice, tolerance is a good thing. The pain and the hurt these individuals feel is real. If you don’t believe me, wait until you find yourself in the minority one day, and find yourself in the cross hairs based solely upon the unique characteristics that define the essence of who “you” are.
Andy's analogy is so off base its ridiculous. The point is not whether or not there should be smoking in bars or restaurants. The point is that it should be decided by the market and the individual owner, not the government. The saw and pig argument is not even analogous. Now, if the restaurant owner permitted saws and pigs in his or her restaurant, that's a different story.
CFW, you are such a hypocrite. You generalize “freedom” and demonize those who use the term, yet how many times have you referred to opponents of (insert topic here) as “status quo?”
The only criticism that I have regarding New Haven’s smoking ordinance is that I think they should have required smoking areas (if provided) to be enclosed and ventilated.
If a business advertises itself as having a non-smoking section, then that is what it should provide. The notion of having one big room and putting up a sign that designates the separate areas (as I’ve seen in other places) within that space is pretty absurd. As someone once said, having an unenclosed smoking section is sort of like having a peeing section in a swimming pool.
Having said that, New Haven’s smoking ordinance is 10 times better than Fort Wayne’s new regulations.
I actually don't think I've ever used Status Quo - I'll look back and see.
I just think 'freedom' is used too widely in an inapplicable manner. From smoking to seat belts, everything seems to be encroachments of personal freedom. Every law we have someone is screaming that its an infraction on their inalienable rights.
Saturday, April 21, 2007
My SYLVESTER!!!! response
"I agree we have competent people in FW, but when FW has a long streak of doing the status quo"
Saturday, April 7, 2007
My Study: "Attracting the Young, College Educated to Cities"
"Here are some stats for members of Status Quo (SYLVESTER, Mr. Kelty et al)"
Looks like someone has a bit too much time on their hands.
I'll admit to the first one, the second wasn't my post. But in my defense, I was talking about the actions of not wanting to 'rock the boat' or accepting things as is.
Ridiculous (perhaps even stupid) examples such as "liquored up..." and "potbellied pigs" aside...
What is the legitimate trip-point for standing up for rights?
When the government goes too far in telling business owners what they can and can't do about legal activities?
Or do you wait until there are things like "free speech zones" and "national ID-limited" travel...
...Oops. Nevermind.
Good one Michaelk!!!!!
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Are we talking about the right to smoke in diners and bars? What about my right to eat or drink in someones establishment without inhaling smoke? I quit smoking 10 years ago, but still eat and drink. I'd sure like to do that without smelling someone's stale smoke! What about MY rights?
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